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		By: Rob Galanakis		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.robg3d.com/2013/12/tdd-via-tic-tac-toe/#comment-227987&quot;&gt;Tomek&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Tomek, the pager example is good but I worry it&#039;s too simple. Especially in Python and other expressive, high level languages. But it is certainly a good first step. I&#039;ve also taught TDD with the Game of Life and while it wasn&#039;t bad, the main problem was that it is just an algorithm. It means the tests can easily just become &#039;acceptance tests,&#039; losing the point of the TDD process. I also ran into this problem with the Tic Tac Toe AI lesson I used. I find it more illustrative to have a simpler algorithm but also more rules and edge cases.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.robg3d.com/2013/12/tdd-via-tic-tac-toe/#comment-227987">Tomek</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks Tomek, the pager example is good but I worry it&#8217;s too simple. Especially in Python and other expressive, high level languages. But it is certainly a good first step. I&#8217;ve also taught TDD with the Game of Life and while it wasn&#8217;t bad, the main problem was that it is just an algorithm. It means the tests can easily just become &#8216;acceptance tests,&#8217; losing the point of the TDD process. I also ran into this problem with the Tic Tac Toe AI lesson I used. I find it more illustrative to have a simpler algorithm but also more rules and edge cases.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Rob, thanks for this idea. I have to say I like it. Tic-Tac-Toe is so much simpler than Convey&#039;s game of life, which is used during code retread. I believe you are right - this is a good exercise for TDD novices.

Some time ago while looking for ideas for TDDs trainings I had the one about &quot;pager&quot;, see http://kaczanowscy.pl/tomek/2013-04/code-kata-pager - I think you might find it interesting.

Cheers!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rob, thanks for this idea. I have to say I like it. Tic-Tac-Toe is so much simpler than Convey&#8217;s game of life, which is used during code retread. I believe you are right &#8211; this is a good exercise for TDD novices.</p>
<p>Some time ago while looking for ideas for TDDs trainings I had the one about &#8220;pager&#8221;, see <a href="http://kaczanowscy.pl/tomek/2013-04/code-kata-pager" rel="nofollow ugc">http://kaczanowscy.pl/tomek/2013-04/code-kata-pager</a> &#8211; I think you might find it interesting.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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